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EXPERT

I love experts. On whatever subject. You know the type, people who know their subject back to front, speak quietly and succinctly, explaining carefully and accessibly, and have the class to admit when they don’t know something. But their expertise shines through.

In the year or so that I’ve been writing this blog, it’s been gratifying to get so many well-considered posts from serious correspondents (as opposed to the knee-jerk reactions from the sort of people who give internet forums such a bad name).

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In addition to the many luminaries who have replied to various posts over the last year, I was especially pleased to receive a response recently to a blog from a month ago on Lasse Viren. Its tardy arrival means that few readers will have seen it, so I reprint it here, not only because of the subject matter (accusations of potential blood doping by Viren), but because it is from Professor Craig Sharp, a man credited with being the founder of sports science in Britain (see mini-bio, http://www.faqs.org/sports-science/Sc-Sp/Sharp-Craig.html)

I met Craig at Birmingham University over 25 years ago, after he had responded to a newspaper article I’d written on the vagaries of the female ’sex-test’ which was still in operation back then. The test was designed to eliminate chromosomal ‘males’ from women’s competition, but it was fraught with problems, not the least being that the women who were forced to take the test found it demeaning.

Now I’m no scientist, but Craig patiently gave me a fascinating personal seminar on the range of chromosomal differences in human reproduction, and for a rare occasion in my life, I can say that I came away, if not the wiser, then infinitely better informed. I occasionally spot the documentation he gave me, lurking amid the compedious files which litter every room in my flat.

Anyway, firstly, here is Craig’s response re Viren:

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‘Just a comment re Lasse Viren and blood doping. I was a physiologist with the GBR team at Munich 72, and I happened once to be in the shower area with Lasse. As we had heard a rumour (no more) that one or two Scandinavian runners (unspecified) might have blood doped - I had a wee look at the obvious main I/V injection sites on Lasse. Now, to transfuse a unit (450ml) of blood needs a big needle, and leaves an obvious mark at best. But on the main venous sites on Lasse there were no marks at all - and no elastoplasts covering any suspicious areas.

So, I have never believed that Lasse Viren was other than an extremely gifted runner who trained - and focussed - and raced - brilliantly. And this is not starry-eyed or wishful thinking - I was part of the dope testing team at the 1977 World Table Tennis Champs in Birmingham UK, and I headed the same at the world Canoe Champs at Holme Pierrepont, UK in 1981 - and in my time lectured much and published on doping in sport (albeit long ago, now!). So, I was not ignorant of doping methods - (and indeed recently published on gene doping possibilities.) And as a former veterinary surgeon (turned sports scientist) I was certainly not ignorant of intravenous work!

One of the major curses of doping is that every brilliant result is (understandably) suspect. As Addison wrote ” ‘Tis not in mortals to command success,/ But we’ll do more Sempronius, we’ll deserve it.”
The trouble these days is knowing who deserves it!’

In subsequent emails, Craig has had some equally interesting things to say about subjects and personalities which/who are of interest to many people in the running community; and refer to questions which arise regularly on athletics’ forums.

I have edited his comments, adding references in brackets; the ellipses (dots) indicate where words (repetitions, personal things) are missing; I’m sure you’ll find this as interesting as I did:

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‘I’m glad that you still see Steve (Ovett)….. I loved his off-beat humorous take on life, I found him a very relaxing and easy person to be with. I think in part it comes from having absolutely nothing else to prove! When he came to the Olympic Centre (in Birmingham, UK - ed)- he always seemed very at home in the lab. Of course I had a proper awe of his achievements!!!!….


I equally admired Seb (Coe), but only met him a couple of times - and not under the exhausting conditions of the treadmill! I met his father more often - he would come, or phone, about various points of exercise physiology - about which he was genuinely and intelligently knowledgeable. And Peter (Coe) was very open minded (unlike quite a lot of coaches!!) - talking with him was just like talking to another scientific colleague - he was happy to have any areas of lack of knowledge put right - he never minded being told he was wrong, provided one had good evidence, and a better explanation to put in its place!.

I knew Harry Wilson (Ovett’s coach) well, and John Anderson (Dave Moorcroft and Liz McColgan’s coach) very well indeed - and I listened as much to them as vice versa. For example, I separately asked them both - around the late 70’s - what place stretching and flexibility training had in their coaching - of Seb and Dave (Moorcroft) among others. And both said exactly the same thing. “Flexibility training makes runners go more slowly.” Now, I also worked (and still do!) with gymnasts (and with dancers), so I was very surprised at that - but, as I genuinely didn’t know one way or the other, I simply bowed to their coaching expertise.

But not long later, I read in one of the good medico-scientific journals a piece of excellent work carried out on over 100 subjects, who had been divided, on a proper physiotherapy assessement of 23 (I think it was) flexibility measures - and were graded as: 1) very flexible; 2) medium, i.e. ‘normal’; 3) poor. And they were then assessed on the treadmill - and their running economy was in inverse relation to their flexibility, just as Harry and John had noted from their own experience. The ‘less flexibles’ had. by definition, tighter tendons and ligaments - so had to stretch them more during their stride, which stored more elastic energy in them. The great animal locomotion authority, McNeill Alexander, of whom you’ll know, calculated that over 35% of the energy of a single step was stored (and released) in the Achilles tendon, and around 17% similarly in the ligaments of the longitudical and tranvserse arches of the foot (as it flattened down). This was in humans, running at a speed of about 300m/minute. These data are off the top of my head, but are reasonably accurate…….

At the time of Dave Moorcroft’s great days, he used to come a lot to my lab in Birmingham - about every month at one time. And I was a wee bit worried about just exactly what use I was to him - as his results almost always got steadily better - but I had no real advice other than to keep doing more of the same! So I said to David that I genuinely didn’t see what help I was giving him. And he said “Craig, if I have a bad period in training or racing - and if my lab results are the same as before - then I know that the problem must be in my head - and not my body. But if I’m not going so well, and the results are down a bit - then I know what to deal with. What you give me - is reassurance.”

I remember too, Harry (Wilson) - I think it was - later asked me to do a full lab test at the BOMC on a young elite woman 800m runner, two or three weeks before a major race. I said that there was absolutely no point in doing that, as there wouldn’t be any time to modify anything in the light of the test results. But Harry said “NO, I know that - and the results don’t matter. But it will do her morale good, just to be tested - as all her foreign opponents have been, and she knows that.” So, we tested her, and made quite a fuss of her. And she ran well. So, Harry was using us for psychological reasons, and good for him……

At my age, I am quite interested in ‘the past’ - well especially 1945 - 60. (I was taken by my Polish stepfather to one rainy day of the 1948 Olympics - and saw Gaston Reiff beat Zatopek by 1.5m (0.2s) in the 5000m - having started the final lap with about 50metres of a lead!!! That was what turned me on to Athletics!!! …..

Bengt Saltin….. Dave Costill and Tim Noakes, I would say, are the three best sports physiologists in the world.

………..Another friend, Harvard evolutionary anthropologist Daniel Lieberman….. and others think we shouldn’t wear shoes, Tim Noakes thinks runners drink too much of the wrong drinks - both groups blame the profit motive. And some people are now saying that lactic acid is not the prime cause of fatigue that it has been made out to be - and Tim thinks that fatigue anyway is not locally sited in muscles (lactic acid or glycogen) or lungs or heart or blood (glucose or oxygen) or temperature or dehydration - but in a site in the brain that correlates all of these together - what he calls ‘The Central Fatigue Governor’.

So, some of our old certainties may be going to the wall.’

But not the certainty that experts like Craig Sharp and those he mentions are a boon to everyone in the running community, and many outside.

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12 Responses to “EXPERT”

  1. James O'Brien Says:

    Now this, fer feck sake (as they used to say in the old country), is why this blog is SO important. And that’s all I’m going to say about that (to quote that great runner, Forrest Gump).

    JOB.

  2. Edward Edmonds Says:

    Very interesting read…

  3. KB in NYC Says:

    Well! when I was younger I was told that Queen Victoria once called in her doctors because she was not feeling well and they prescribed a bleeding. We would have to assume that these were the best medical minds of the time. Now any average science student today would find this ridiculous. And this happened less than two hundred years ago. The point of this is that our models and I repeat models are all subject to change. The best we can hope for is some minor tweaking and not utter and complete repudiation. What we call knowledge is merely a vain attempt to explain observed phenomena by some contrived model. Mr Butcher, while you may possess wit and charm, you seem trapped in this foolish spider web we call knowledge and you feel you need to pay obeisance to her high priests. I certainly have very little regard for most of the foolish theories by Costill and his company that you so slavishly lionize. As to the whole flexibility issue, I have reservations with your observations there. I have been running for over 35 years and I can tell you that I do run faster when my muscles are more flexible. Oh, and then there is that injury prevention issue that is so obviously overlooked. If I try to do something explosive without stretching properly, I can assure you that I will feel a twinge in my muscles. So enough of this nonsense. Please don’t lead people down the path to nowhere but the couch.

  4. Pat Says:

    re flexibility and injury prevention, I should have made it clear that Craig was talking about elite athletes, not plodders like you and me, KB. I’ve been running for close to 50 years, and if I didn’t stretch for 15mins before embarking on my daily run, I’d probably need to walk/jog for a similar time before I started running.

    as for the rest of KB’s criticisms, they lead to the same conclusion as Craig, ie, ’some of our old certainties may be going to the wall’.

  5. Jim Harvey Says:

    Hi Pat,
    An interesting side note. I believe Craig Sharp once held the record for the run up Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania!
    Also if my memory serves me correctly he ran for Victoria Park Harriers who may have won a National Cross team medal in the 50s.
    A great guy with a vast reservoir of knowledge that the sport should put to good use.

    Jim Harvey.

  6. Pat Says:

    A sophisticated response from Jim Harvey to my recent blog on the dire state of British men’s distance running prompted the British magazine, Athletics Weekly to ask him to expand the post, and the resulting article can be found in this week’s edition of AW. Here’s link via letsrun.com -
    http://www.letsrun.com/2009/JamesHarvey0519.pdf

  7. mick bourke Says:

    Whether Viren was a blood doper, or not, is something we are unlikely to know with certainty unless he or some of his coaching staff ‘fess up. A quick look for needle marks in the shower is hardly a clincher in his favour. If he was doping then surely he would have done it a good while before he got to the games - for obvious reasons - giving any marks plenty of time to disappear. Sadly some of his Finnish running colleagues from that era were at it.

  8. RK in NH Says:

    re the “markless” Viren or showergate:
    I asked a physician about injection site marks. She suggested that they would not be visible after two weeks. The question is how much of the benefit of blood doping remains after a relative short period of time. I would like to think Viren was clean but the showergate observation proves nothing.

  9. atlas_ran Says:

    Viren redux

    Old running proverb: if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck
    (never believed the stories about reindeer milk).

  10. James Lawler Says:

    Very interesting, great read.

  11. Glen Says:

    I had Viren to my house in Finland for dinner a few years ago. We talked about his training at length. On thing was clear, he and his coaches ability to load and recover in continuous sequence so that improvement was optimum was simply second to none. Lasse also commented to me that central park in Helsinki is the best place in the world for final preparation for distance runners as the tracks and gradients are perfect for training.
    My 4:00:48 for 1500m at 46 bears witness to this. I have never trained anywhere more inspiring before or since. You want to run in there continuously not just once or twice a day.

    That is no evidence for or against doping but having studied Virens progress and talked at length to his coach and Finnish peers I have no doubts that his racing was easily possible without aids from the training he did.

  12. Pat Says:

    thanks to Glen for another informed contribution.
    As readers may have guessed from his mention of running a fraction over four minutes for 1500m at age 46, Glen was another great British miler, sub-4 in the 1970s, including an Inter-Counties victory over the young Sebastian Coe.

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